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Ideal humidity level for a Safe and Reloading ?? 2 years, 4 months ago #6370

1. What is the ideal humidity level for a Safe
2. What is the ideal way to keep that humidity down in a safe
3. Where do you get the instruments to measure humidity in a safe

1. What is ideal humidity for reloading ?
2. how do you control humidity in a room ? ( and NO the answer is not "don't read porn while your reloading")

any one

Re: Ideal humidity level for a Safe and Reloading ?? 2 years, 3 months ago #6385

Stefano,

When I built my walk-in safe, I had a huge problem with moisture, due to the new concrete.
I stored an old deactivated .303 there, and checked it every week, it was red with rust every time.
I then cleaned it with steel wool, and checked it again the next week.

I tried to get rid of the humidity with, 12 x 60 watt bulbs installed on the walls.
With a heater. With saucers of silica gel placed on the floor. No luck.

Then i ordered a de-humidifier, cost me R10K. Worth every cent. Plugs in at the wall.
It has a reservoir for the water it extracts out of the air, that has a capacity of 6,5 l.
I had to empty this twice a week in the first month. Then, as the concrete settled, it produces about 5 l a week in the rainy season, and 2 l a week in winter.
Two weeks after installing the device, the 303 stayed shiny - just steel wool, no oil.
I moved my rifles in then.

The barometer I have hung in the safe reads 65% in winter and around 75 -80% in the rainy season, when the power was off for two days.
I am not sure how correct the barometer is, it is actually an antique itself.
But at 65% there are no problems - even with muzzle loaders not cleaned for a week after the shoot!
(Yes I no I shouldnt!)

I'll check the name of the device this weekend and post it if you need it.

Willie barnard
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Re: Ideal humidity level for a Safe and Reloading ?? 2 years, 3 months ago #6386

Thanks Willie, 10k is more than what i was thinking about, however i suppose it has merit. What about when loading ammo what is the correct humidity ?

Re: Ideal humidity level for a Safe and Reloading ?? 2 years, 3 months ago #6388

The dehumidifier would not fit into an ordinary safe, it has to be a walk-in safe.
If you consider the value of the firearms, R10K is not much. About one medium priced rifle.
Believe me, once I experienced how well it worked, my doubts vanished.

Reloading: i dont know. In Ellisras, of course humidity is seldom a problem. Heat is though.
My next investment will be an aircon for my reloading room.
You cannot run a fan when weighing charges - it influences the scale. And it is irritating to put it mildly when the drops of sweat from your face falls into the doppies!!

Willie barnard
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Re: Ideal humidity level for a Safe and Reloading ?? 2 years, 3 months ago #6389

Reloading has it challenges, funny story though .... thank Willie for the help

Stef

Re: Ideal humidity level for a Safe and Reloading ?? 2 years, 3 months ago #6393

So Willie, those drops of sweat in the doppies - do they push up performance on those loads? I hear tell those Ellisras folks are dynamite

Stef I get a kit at the local supermarket or hardware store - block of chemicals that sits ontop of a grate over a plastc cannister. As the block degrades away it sucks water out of the atmosphere and drops it in the cannister. Small enough to fit in a safe and works well just don't get the flavouredd ones, your mates might take a dim view if you go walkabout with your tools smelling like peaches...
If you need I'll go dig it out and check the name for you.

Willem
“Do or do not, there is no ‘try’” – Master Yoda

Re: Ideal humidity level for a Safe and Reloading ?? 2 years, 3 months ago #6397

Willem , do you know that song about "Jan, Jan, Jan die bielie van die Bosveld"?
"Hy eet sardientjies met blikkie en al,...
en dan teken hy sy naam met 'n eenskaarploeg!"

Well, old Jan still lives in these parts!

(Sorry guys, that defies translation.)

Come and see for yourself on Firearmns festival on 25 August 2012.

Willie barnard
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Re: Ideal humidity level for a Safe and Reloading ?? 2 years, 3 months ago #6407

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Hi Guys

My 10 cents worth.

I have a walk in safe at the coast and same problem with rust, until I bought a dehumidifier from a company in Cape Town. Cost R1500 a couple of years ago and works like a treat. You can vary the humidity at the push of a button. It has a reservoir that collect waters and the machine stops when the reservoir is full or it can be connected to a pipe that carries the water out of your room and into a drain(which I have done) in which case the dehumidifier just runs and runs

Worked well for a couple of years and then needed a service which the same company did at minimal cost. Their service was excellent. I have been so impressed with the machine that I have bought a second in case the first needs another service.

www.cfw.co.za is the email address and I think they also have a branch in Gauteng. I bought a factory soiled model(small piece of plastic cracked somewhere which made no difference to the working of the machine).

I would recommend them anytime.

Putting a dehumidifier in my gun room was the best thing I have ever done.......................... after buying my first big bore!!

Cheers
Greg Tarr

Re: Ideal humidity level for a Safe and Reloading ?? 2 years, 3 months ago #6408

Greg, thanks for confirming the value of dehumidifiers.
It seems I paid a bit too much, but I am still glad I bought it.
I followed your link, those dehumidifiers are super.

Guns have just two enemies: rust and politicians.
Now can someone tell me where I can buy a de-politicianiser?

Willie barnard
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Re: Ideal humidity level for a Safe and Reloading ?? 2 years, 3 months ago #6415

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HI Willie

Let me know when you find one. Don't mind paying a too much for one of those!!

Cheers
Greg

Re: Ideal humidity level for a Safe and Reloading ?? 2 years, 3 months ago #6416

Hi,

I had the same problem with my new walk in safe.Got a Seccasciutto from CFW (021 931 8331)
that solved the problem. They delivered to my door in Gauteng for about R 2k.

Riaan


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Re: Ideal humidity level for a Safe and Reloading ?? 2 years, 3 months ago #6447

Guys somewhere I heard that oom Casey Lewis is an absolute boffin on humidity effects on ammo, reading etc. Stands to reason as he is an absolute boffin on everything firearm related and more.
Perhaps we can entice a technical article out of him
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Re: Ideal humidity level for a Safe and Reloading ?? 1 year, 9 months ago #6827

Willem Smuts wrote:
So Willie, those drops of sweat in the doppies - do they push up performance on those loads? I hear tell those Ellisras folks are dynamite

Stef I get a kit at the local supermarket or hardware store - block of chemicals that sits ontop of a grate over a plastc cannister. As the block degrades away it sucks water out of the atmosphere and drops it in the cannister. Small enough to fit in a safe and works well just don't get the flavouredd ones, your mates might take a dim view if you go walkabout with your tools smelling like peaches...
If you need I'll go dig it out and check the name for you.

Willem


Hi Willem ( I know its six months later ... I type slow what can i say )

I have bought one of those dehumidifier blocks and without thinking bought the smelly one. I think its lavender. Anyways, the smell is very strong and I was wandering if the smell, which is very strong is not some how corrosive ? I am drawing on the idea of the ammonia in stables rusting soldiers cartridges. Do you think that is a plausible thought or not to be worried about ?

Re: Ideal humidity level for a Safe and Reloading ?? 1 year, 9 months ago #6828

Stefano

Those blocks are safe to use even in your kitchen so I don't think it will have a negative effect - I certianly have not observed any interactions with metals of any kind in the few years I have been using it. I guess in confined space the fragrance might get a tad overpowering indeed - I will take your word for it and not try any flavours myself though.

Willem
“Do or do not, there is no ‘try’” – Master Yoda

Re: Ideal humidity level for a Safe and Reloading ?? 1 year, 9 months ago #6845

thanks Willem, i will make sure next time which one i buy ...
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